wincestislove:

[Part 2] Rationally I see Destiel because 1. I don’t think the world is ready for canon incest on TV. and 2. Dean wasn’t actually there when Sam died, he didn’t really “see” him die… The last time he actually SAW Sam die was at the end of season 5… On the other hand Dean actually saw Cas die in season 9 a bit more resent. On the other hand I see Wincest there ‘cause emotionally that line makes way more sense for Sam because of the contents of the episode,So I’m just here going back and forth.

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Okay, let’s have a level conversation here, because I shall respect that you came to me rather politely and that really does count in my book! I rather like level headed Destiel shippers, and I’m sure such shippers (who are NOT Destiehellers) can appreciate and respect a level headed Wincest shipper. We’re all one big family.

So!

Shippers love their fanon and ‘ideas’, but let’s take off our shipper goggles here and via doing that, right out the gate, let’s make one thing endlessly clear, yes? 

Dean is straight. That’s a level of pure canon that neither you nor I can ‘change’ just because we ‘wish’ or ‘think’ it would/could be different…because it’s not different. He’s straight, and we can’t look at someone stating their sexuality point blank in our faces and go all ‘lol you’re not really gay/straight/bi, be honest’, that’s not how it works. You can’t do that to somebody in real life, and you can’t do that to a canon character. If someone says they’re gay or bi, they’re gay or bi. If someone says they’re straight, they’re straight, and we have to R-E-S-P-E-C-T that. So again, right out the gate, shipper goggles OFF.
Dean. Straight. Canon.
Canon on screen, canon per the writers, canon per Jensen. Dean… Is straight as hell. Let’s put that at the forefront of everything else I’ll type from here on out on this reply, because at the end of the day we’re talking about what that scene on SCREEN literally meant, not what we WISH it meant.  

Destiel isn’t (and will never be) Canon, and Wincest (in the incestuous sense) isn’t and will never be Canon. Can we mutually agree on that because neither of us is delusional enough to insist otherwise? Yes? Wonderful!
Moving on—-

Now that we (and the show) have established that Dean is straight, then from there it’s literally obvious that no one is about to see incest happen anytime soon before our very eyes on a cable television show. 
Let’s establish something else, yes?
Loving someone does not mean you love them ‘romantically’. You can love your best friend, you can love your parents, you can love your siblings, and it can be purely platonic. You can also very much love your FAMILY more than you love your friends. 

Castiel is Dean’s friend (again, reference back to the whole Dean is straight thing, Destiel won’t be canon any more than incest ever will on screen). 

Sam is Dean’s family. And not just his family, but literally his ‘purpose’ in life: his reason for existing. “Look out for Sammy, boy!” 

Now then, since we’ve established that Dean is canonically straight, and have also established that love doesn’t have to mean ‘romantic’ love, let’s look at the line from the show about ‘the man you love dying’, and how there is no ‘normal’ after that, and from there take a closer look at Dean’s reaction to Cas and Sam’s various deaths over the course of the show.

Cas has died before. Cas has died many times, actually, and when he’s died? Just like it would if you lost your own friend, it hits Dean enough to be a little damp eyed (maybe a lone man tear) and hey, one time he even kept the trench coat as a memento. But has Dean moved on? Yes. Has Dean tried to commit suicide because he simply can’t survive with the thought of Cas being dead? No. Has he tried to beg Death or Demons/Angels to trade his life for Castiel’s? No. Has he ceased to be a fully functioning human being and folded in on himself in despair? …No. Not once. Not even a little. 

Conversely, let’s look to Sam. Much like Cas, Sam has also died before. Many times. And what happens every..single..time Sam dies? In canon, on screen, with canon proof to back it up, Dean loses his shit. From the Croatoan episode in S2 when Dean makes it clear he will shoot himself in the head if Sam turns into a Croat Zombie, all the way to s11 ep 17 Red Meat, Dean has shown that he literally cannot and (except for the one time he promised Sam otherwise) refuses to even TRY to function with Sam dead. He folds in on himself, becomes a shell of a man, craving either to die or to sacrifice his life and last breath just so Sam will live. There is no in between for him. 

And that, my dear Anon, platonic as it is on screen in canon, is love. A platonic love, but LOVE. A love so deep and condependantly unparalleled that to even suggest that Dean thought of Castiel when she talked about ‘there being no normal after the man you love dies’…makes zero sense what so ever. 

Cas dies, it hits Dean just as hard as watching Kevin or Charlie die does, but in the end (as when any one of his friends die) Dean moves on. It might hurt, and sometimes it hurts really badly, but he moves on and continues to live his life just fine.
But when Sam dies? DEAN dies inside as a result and his actions show it again, and again, and again, and again over the entire course of the show. 

There is no death, in ANY universe, that could send Dean into a Suicidal Spiral the way Sam dying does to Dean.

Dean is straight. But Dean loves his baby brother more than any other being in the universe, and to suggest otherwise (again, in CANON, with shipper goggles off), makes zero sense. Dean has never, and will never, put anything before Sam. He has never chosen Cas over Sam, would never choose Cas’s life over Sam’s life, Dean would let the world BURN to ashes if it meant Sam getting to live and the writers, creator, and J2 themselves have all emphasized how endlessly canon that fact is.

Incest has nothing to do with this conversation at all. We have to put aside our Shipper preferences, put aside Shipper goggles, and acknowledge what is real on the show PERIOD… Because to say ‘otherwise’, just makes the rest of the world squint their eyes at you, and wonder what show you’re even watching, you feel me? 

Dean is straight. Cas is his friend. Sam is his brother. If Cas had to die just so that Sam would live, Cas would be six feet under in Dean’s book, and Dean would move on. That’s canon, and you just have to look to Benny for proof of that. Dean’s BEST friend at the time, and tears in Dean’s grief filled eyes didn’t stop him from whacking the Vampire’s head off just so Sammy would have a chance at life, and then moving on with his life just fine without Benny.

When Dean thinks of the ‘man he loves’ dying, and how there would be no ‘normal’ after said man dying… No moving on, no will to live, etc? That person for Dean is and will forever BE Sam Winchester. His baby brother and his very reason for existing, his life’s purpose. There is no Dean without Sam. That’s canon. Just like Sam and Dean are canon soulmates. No shipping needed for it to be true.

End of story, my dear.